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Missed a close shot from stand, do I need to compensate? [message #36840] Fri, 06 November 2009 20:39 Go to next message
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This evening I was in my stand and a six point walked under me and walked about 15 yards out and stopped broadside and started feeding. I wasn't going to shoot but it was SO tempting. I decided if he turned his head away so I could draw on him I'd nail him. Well he did, I drew, held on him between the 10 and 20 yard pins and let go. I didn't see the arrow fly and my nock didn't light up like it should have so I wasn't sure if I hit him or not. He didn't act like he'd been hit but I thought that I couldn't possibly have missed at that range. Long story short, I missed. No hair or blood on the ground or arrow and no blood on the trail he left by.
I think I undershot him but I'm not sure. I was deadly accurate with this bow when target shooting and I don't think I moved as I released. Do I need to compensate when shooting downward from a stand, or for that matter when shooting uphill?


Doug
Re: Missed a close shot from stand, do I need to compensate? [message #36843 is a reply to message #36840] Fri, 06 November 2009 23:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ive never shot up hill. did he duck ur arrow? i always aim about half way between the white part of the belly and the the shoulder ( where you usually aim ) i have had tons of deer duck my arrows. up hill, i would think youd aim a little high??? am i right guys??/
Re: Missed a close shot from stand, do I need to compensate? [message #36847 is a reply to message #36843] Fri, 06 November 2009 23:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Actually this shot was downward from my stand to the ground. I was just curious to find out if I needed to compensate for it and if so would I compensate the other way if I were shooting uphill?

Doug
Re: Missed a close shot from stand, do I need to compensate? [message #36852 is a reply to message #36847] Sat, 07 November 2009 10:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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another great question.... and i don't have a definite answer. but aiming downward at a deer from a stand i aim right above the white of the belly. try that next time. its helped me tons
Re: Missed a close shot from stand, do I need to compensate? [message #36855 is a reply to message #36852] Sat, 07 November 2009 11:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I will try that, thanks. That is, IF I get another shot, lol.
He may very well have ducked the arrow, I don't know. I thought it looked like it had gone under him judging by the placement of the arrow in the ground in relation to where I thought he was standing but I may be wrong. Either way, I just plain missed an easy shot. Guess I'd better go out and target practice more before I head back out to the woods this afternoon. Thanks for the input trophystalker.


Doug
Re: Missed a close shot from stand, do I need to compensate? [message #36920 is a reply to message #36855] Mon, 09 November 2009 15:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Short Answer: Yes

Practical Answer: Not really, but it depends.

The problem with shooting uphill or downhill, the pull of gravity doesn't affect the full flight of the arrow. It only applies to the actual horizontal component.

Example:
Sitting 16ft in a tree stand, deer 12ft from base of the tree, flight path of the arrow is 20ft. However, gravity only affects the horizontal component 12ft. So a shot that would distance a 20ft only shoots like a 12ft shot. That's why the new range finders have the ARC system and similar information. This is not a huge deal at bow ranges, but for rifle ranges it can be a big deal.

The are a lot of reasons why you may have shot high: string jump, angle of the shot, looking over sights

Pete
Re: Missed a close shot from stand, do I need to compensate? [message #37012 is a reply to message #36840] Sun, 15 November 2009 07:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ohiofirelt,
It sounds like you shot under him, like you stated. Also, you mentioned using your 10 and 20 yard pins. 10 yard pins are a thing of the past. You should be able to hit everything inside 20 yards by using your 20 yard pin and holding on the same point.

Your 20 yard pin was under him when you shot and that's where your arrow went. At least it was as clean miss. You'll get another opportunity. Smile

There is a point when shooting down at less than approx. 10 feet, that everyone's P.O.I. (point of impact) will change. What that point is is for everyone to find out before hunting. NORMALLY, with MOST bows, inside 10 feet from the base of the tree you're shooting from, you'll have to use your 30 yard pin to hit dead on.

The reason for using the 30 yard pin is that the arrow hasn't risen to the hight of the 20 yard pin's trajectory...yet. This is because of the extreme downward angle.

Also, the reason for the variables with which pin to use at these extreme angles is changed with the height of the shooter. The higher the shooter, the farther out the 30 yard pin may have to be used. The average treestand height of 15 to 20 feet usually allows the 30 yard pin to be used inside 10 feet from the base of the tree.

There are other variables, due to the laws of physics with arrow weight and bow speeds...but the majority of the time, the above statement holds true.

Hope this helps!
Good hunting, Bowhunter57


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Re: Missed a close shot from stand, do I need to compensate? [message #38219 is a reply to message #36840] Mon, 04 January 2010 12:57 Go to previous message
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Bowhunter sure explained that. Your are correct. However, when I use to shoot target, indoor ranges, and had a 20 pin, the arrows would flex downward, and my 20yd was also the same as the 10yd. But for a 15yd shot I held the 20yd a little high for the downward flex. The arrows may have been a little light for the bow. After the 20yd distance the arrow would fall naturally.
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